Notes for 10/16/03


- Fallacies:

            Loaded Questions

                        Bandwagon Fallacy


-       The class discussed possible paper topics

-       Storehouse definition:

o      This metaphor is vague, not empirical, too simple, and doesn’t explain the actual process, though retrieval seems to fit with what one feels when retrieving information.

-       The question was raised whether or not a baby categorizes their memories; such as crying the same for being wet, cold, or hungry. Is this categorization? Would the brain waves be the same for each of these?

o      It was decided that because circumstances differ, the brain waves will differ as well.

1.     “Talk about the differences between the storehouse metaphor and Broca’s View”

a.     Broca’s view is related to the storehouse metaphor, but more physical memory and not as abstract


2.     “Do you agree with the authors that it is nor a good idea to couple memory a priori with consciousness, or may consciousness be important in memory?”

a.     Consciousness is important because awareness is important.

b.     This is similar to implicit v. explicit memory; they are 2 different systems, but one is not more important than another

c.     These are equally important for memory function

d.     A question was raised re: Alzheimer’s and memory function


3.     “The book talks about many memory systems and how the storehouse model cannot accommodate all of these systems. Do you think there is an actual system that controls all memory or are they just local entities that all effect each other?”

a.     They interact to form one central system; many separate to equal one whole

b.     Others believe it may be one “clump of goop” that scientists must separate for scientific inquiry.


4.     “Obviously complete agents need memory to survive interactions with the environment. Organisms developed memory to survive this planet and as such would lead a person to believe that it has evolved just as everything else has. Do you think that global memory systems suggested in the ecological approach were once single systems that didn’t overlap each other?”

a.     Some animals or more primitive beings do tend to rely on sensory motor systems more, such as the sense of smell for memory, this may be true, then.


5.     “Review the idea of the global chaotic attractor and the sentence regarding it in the book because I was all like, HUH?”

a.     Some trajectories are chaotic or not predictable due to small initial changes.


6.     “Since we know that removing or damaging certain parts of the temporal lobe causes memory failure, does the idea of localized function really suck as bad as chapter 15 suggests?”

a.     Storehouse may be part of the overall, and may be useful to keep when discussing memory, or maybe it’s easier to think of them as separate storehouses with encoded processing evolved


7.     “ I don’t see how recall can be a type of recatigorization.”

a.     How can one see a pen, know which pen it is, while recatagorizing every time one recalls a memory?


8.     “Can an approach be postulated without combining many if not all of the theories of memory?”

a.     Yes, just a more focused approach.

b.     After ruling out theories, one just makes a qualified theory.


9.     “Describe the differences between long term and short term memory as it might be applied to the ecological approach.”

a.     Short-term memory is more moment-to-moment, long term is more survival once interrelated.


10.  “Explain figure 15.6”

a.     Input by different senses equals new paths. New combinations of input equal more new paths.


11.  There is a view that if you memorize something in a room then you will be able to remember it better in that room than anywhere else. How do these views play into that?

a.     State dependant memories due to sensory cues like the ecological approach. It’s global and situational.


12.  Would robot/computer be able to pick up on implicit memory? Wouldn’t this be less obvious for them to and therefore difficult to process?

a.     Yes, senses change memory of an environment, robots haven’t any implicit memory, and can hold more explicit memory, so it depends on the AI system.


13.  I don’t understand the attractors and memory view, can we go over this>

a.     Thinking the same thing over and over causes memory grooves (attractors) these are stable, so at some point, with a similar memory it will fit in to the attractor or groove.