ps. the new package has the same name as the old, so you can identify it by date and size: 21667879 Dec 13 16:20 pdp++_3.1_osx.pkg.sit ftp://grey.colorado.edu/pub/oreilly/pdp++/pdp++_3.1_osx.pkg.sit and same for the sims: 14849714 Dec 13 16:21 sims_1.31_osx.pkg.sit ftp://grey.colorado.edu/pub/oreilly/cog_neuro_sims/sims_1.31_osx.pkg.sit - Randy